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Postby deanimal » Tue Dec 7, 4:14

Viruses: The New Definition of Life?

It has been widely debated for years whether or not viruses are classified as alive or not. They appear to have traits of both living organisms and nonliving entities. For something to be considered a living organism, it should posses certain qualities. It must reproduce, grow, use energy, adapt, and die. Viruses perform these functions -- but not alone. Are they then alive, as micro-parasites, or are they inorganic, like a mineral?

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Lets take a look at exactly how they do go about their business. Viruses have DNA. They attach themselves to a living cell and implant this DNA into the cell. The cell then proceeds to make the proteins necessary to construct a virus. The viruses form within the cell and then burst out, destroying their creator. They are propelled out and find new cells to implant with their DNA, in a possibly never-ending cycle. Viruses often mutate. Take the influenza virus, for example. The vaccine must be updated every year to keep up with current strains. Or look at the HIV virus. It has come to be within the last thirty years. With all this reproducing and evolving, one might quickly come to the conclusion that viruses are simple but alive. As aforementioned, however, viruses do not survive alone. Every step is carried out by another organism, whether it be a bacteria, an amoeba, or a cell in a multi-cellular organism. Many scientists argue that this classifies them not as organisms, but as nonliving parasites. Others yet consider them the fine line between what is alive, and what is not. One of the problems is that the definition of “life” was never sufficiently made clear, and different interpretations can be formed. One group may claim that life is defined as reproduction, while another may decide that something must use some sort of food to be an organism, while a third may believe that merely having genetic material classifies a virus as “alive.”

Why is it even necessary to study these viruses? Why does it matter if we know whether or not they are alive? It is because whether they are alive, nonliving, or some category we are not yet aware of, viruses are part of our biological history, and have quite an interesting one themselves. Viruses can change the DNA of its host cell, aside from the usual reproduction cycle. They can mix their DNA with that of the hosts, becoming part of the host cell’s genetic makeup permanently. Viruses multiply rapidly, creating completely new genes constantly. These genes can be spread to many life forms in the blink of an eye. Imagine the impact that must have had on evolution, with genes being spread all helter-skelter. If not for viruses, you might not have a nose, or a pinky toe, or the ability to see the color red!

Also, viruses have their own evolution. While it is likely that many viruses have not changed in millions of years, many have progressed to an extent. It is thought that perhaps viruses came from fugitive genetic material of bacterium that stole some protein coating on the way out, indicating in a sense that viruses evolved form bacteria. A handful of scientists even believe that the nucleus of cells came from a virus that made it’s permanent home in a cell that did not previously have a nucleus.

I, personally, subscribe to the persuasion that viruses are alive, or conceivably a different category altogether. I think that the definition of life is a too strict. If something has genetic material and reproduces, it should be considered alive, whether it does the work or not. Anything with these qualities can’t be considered completely inanimate. Society does not consider people who mooch off of their friends and family for room and board to cease to be human does it? It seems then ridiculous to deem viruses nonliving simply because they do not use their own resources. I don’t believe using energy should be a requirement of life.

Whether or not you, or the scientific community, believe viruses are alive, they deserve further research. With their interesting properties, they certainly have potential in the fields of medicine, biology, and even technology. In medicine, the viruses spread DNA quickly. What if their genes could be altered to serve a useful purpose? In technology, imagine for a moment it has been determined that viruses are definitely, wholly nonliving. If an inanimate object that small can make such movements and reproduce itself using biological elements, we could apply that knowledge and make leaps and bounds in the fields of biotechnology and micro-technology. Research in viruses unquestionably could yield some beneficial results.


Works Cited ( So you know I'm not making it all up ;) )
Luis P. Villarreal, “Are Viruses Alive?” Scientific American. December 2004.

http://www.beyondbooks.com/lif72/2c.asp



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Postby newlydiscovered » Tue Dec 7, 4:22

Wow, nice article. Either place was fine :)
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Postby NUAndrew » Tue Dec 7, 9:20

I'm gonna have to disagree with your analogy of someone mooching off of friends.

A virus does work. But it completely and utterly lacks the capability for reproduction beyond being able to insert its genetic material into a cell, and thereby force the cell to do the reproduction for it.

Someone who mooches off of friends can still reproduce - nothing is there to stop him/her from having sex. More to the point, they possess the capability to "work", that is, break themselves of parasitic existence, but they choose not to exercise it. They possess the capability to get a job, and provide for themselves, but they choose not to exercise it - and in that, because others are providing for them, it works out to be the same.

Virii do work - they're constantly changing, constantly adapting to the new defenses that organisms put up. It's possible to tell what part of the world a person with HIV/AIDS was when they got it, and even more so, to trace the spread and progression of the disease - the virus has changed so much, in so many different regions, that formulating a global combatant is nigh impossible, at least right now.

Viruses blur the line between alive and non-living, you're right. But the main criterion for living is "If I stick this organism into completely isolated containment, so that it has food to eat, water to drink, air to breathe, etc, but there are no other living organisms (i.e. food is replaced with a mix of pure proteins and carbohydrates, artificially created to be devoid of any DNA), the organism must be able to thrive. If I make slight changes over time ,the organism must be able to survive."

Life isn't based on a single factor - it depends on a plethora of factors, coming together, in such a manner that they promote the continuance of the species..

Therefore, I'm inclined to disagree with you, and say that viruses are not alive, simply for the fact that they have no means of surviving without another organism. Period.

(Excellent essay, by the way - I thoroughly enjoyed it)
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Postby DudeMan101 » Tue Dec 7, 15:31

But mosquitos cannot reproduce without exploiting another organism. Are they then not alive?
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Postby deanimal » Tue Dec 7, 22:18

Thank you andrew. Yeah, I know the friend analogy was a bit off.... but that's alright. The point of my article was more to focus on viruses and the info on both sides, rather than my opinion. Truthfully, the only reason I added so much of my own opinion into it was to meet the word count for the assignment. The thing overall, however, was really fun to write, I think viruses are fasinating.
I get what you mean, my only thing is how can something that has genes and heredity, that "reproduces" not be considered alive? Maybe no life as we know it, but surely not in the same category as a rock or a tennis shoe!

Dudeman, Misquitos get food (for reproduction) from living organisms, but if they were given the nutriets that they get out of the blood they suck, they wouldn't need to suck the blood. That's more of a biological dependance than a question of life or not. Wow, I just debunked my own analogy. (I knew it was crappy anyway). If a moocher was given the food from, some unknown source, they wouldn't need to mooch., making it a toatally different issue. Moochers are more like misquitos than viruses. The annoyance level is about the same anyway! ;-) I'm not sure whose side you were on with that comment, actually... none, perhaps.
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Postby DudeMan101 » Wed Dec 8, 13:26

Mosquitoes DO have access to the nutrients, but they can't form them into the protein, fat, and carb structures found in blood. It's not within their chemical capacity. They can't produce it themselves, so they get it from another organism. The same is true of virus. They don't have the enzymes and such to create more virus, so they "commision" another cell to do it for them.

But if you go on to say that you could give them the needed things prefabricated, then why can't viruses have prefabricated cells?
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Postby NUAndrew » Wed Dec 8, 14:45

Because Viruses use the cell itself to replicate - they send a trigger for mitosis/meiosis, force the cell to multiply, and each "new" cell is actually a carrier of the virus, not of a new cell.

Mosquitoes could, conceivably, utilise artificial blood. Viruses could only use an artificial cell if that cell had the capacity for dividing.
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Postby ronlin » Wed Dec 8, 17:03

Well, in many cases there are different parasites (I know there are many kinds of parasites though, and that is a kind of broad term) that are specific to living in certain biological conditions, but does that mean that if the biological condition could not be replicated, they are not alive?

When you start getting into "can this thing survive with synthetic materials" I start to ask the question "is it just our technology that can't contribute to it's survival yet?"

I'm not trying to say that an artificial cell that can divide on its own may be something possible, I'm just toying with the idea that a virus may be alive, although dependant on the lives of other organisms to survive. After all, the virus had to evolve from somewhere, form from something - I agree that it cannot simply be classified in the same way a rock or soda can is.

Just ideas, as I have not done extensive research on virii at all. This is very interesting, though.
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Postby Orius » Wed Dec 8, 21:22

The whole argument of what is alive and what isn't is trivial and stupid, and only conforms to the egocentric nature of science. There are many cultures and belief systems that think rocks are alive, and the sky. Science is not the be all and end all of defining life.

Science is a religion like any other. Who cares if viruses are alive are not. Science is not even qualified to tell me if I am living or if I am conscious. It's all hypothetical bullshit.
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Postby skeptic320 » Thu Dec 9, 0:29

Orius wrote:Science is a religion like any other.

So, do you refuse to take science classes on the grounds that they contradict your religion?
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Postby DudeMan101 » Thu Dec 9, 15:56

NUAndrew wrote:Mosquitoes could, conceivably, utilise artificial blood. Viruses could only use an artificial cell if that cell had the capacity for dividing.


Not true. Many viruses destroy the cell long before it gets a chance to divide. The resulting cloud of viruses released then infects surrounding cells. Only some viruses are lysogenic in nature.

While artificial blood may serve the same purpose as an oxygen carrier to humans, it is very chemicly different from natural blood. Mosquitos, I'm guessing, would not be able to use it for their purposes.

And while science may not be absolutly correct yet, it's certainly the closest thing to correct that we have so far. Certainly more correct then people who think that rocks (the minierals themselves, not the innumerable things that live on rocks) are alive.
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Postby deanimal » Thu Dec 9, 17:04

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Dudeman, I'm sure that some sort of artificial nutrient or blood could be created that misquitos could live on. And yeah, viruses don't allow the cells they attack to divide generally, once they have gotten a hold of them.

DudeMan101 wrote:And while science may not be absolutly correct yet, it's certainly the closest thing to correct that we have so far. Certainly more correct then people who think that rocks (the minierals themselves, not the innumerable things that live on rocks) are alive.

I concur.
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Postby MFS » Thu Dec 9, 21:19

I view viruses as rogue genetic material. I see their function as mechanical. Virus mutations generally occur inside an infected cell, which is indicative of the biological process of the cell, not the proces of the virus' mechanics. Viruses do not make decisions, they do not act, in fact, in a sense, they don't actually do anything other than have a means to attach to a cell which then automatically injects the rogue genetic material into the cell for replication. Very mechanical.

If you'd like to take this a step further, look at retroviruses. They aren't DNA like more viruses - they are balls of rogue RNA. They don't have the superstructure of the virus. Like the virus, they don't actually do anything on their own.

I will insist that viruses and retroviruses aren't "alive". Yes, we try to "kill" them, though more accurately, disable and/or destroy them. Tiny, wicked machines that can wreak havoc and even deliver death. But not alive.
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Postby DudeMan101 » Thu Dec 9, 22:21

All organism, except perhaps humans and some other higher creatures, are entierly mechanical. They are just very, very complex machines.

Compare, for instence, a wheel and axle to a Cray supercomputer running AI applications. Both are machines; the distinction lies in complexity and function.

Retroviruses can do something: they carry with them the enzymes required to convert themselves from RNA to DNA, and then insert that DNA into a cell. Without that, they couldn't do anything.

Now, prions, on the other hand, are just proteins. These, essentialy, are merely poisons that act on a cellular level. Prions don't do anything. Unlike viruses and retroviruses, they don't reproduce or evolve.
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Postby deanimal » Thu Dec 9, 22:26

DudeMan101 wrote:All organism, except perhaps humans and some other higher creatures, are entierly mechanical. They are just very, very complex machines.

Now, prions, on the other hand, are just proteins. These, essentialy, are merely poisons that act on a cellular level. Prions don't do anything. Unlike viruses and retroviruses, they don't reproduce or evolve.


Whoa... that's deep. (About the mechanical thing). Yeah, one time someone mentoned about our brains operating in binary code, about how all thoughts were just combinations of different neurons being "on" or "off" It kind of freaked me out. The very idea that my thoughts were like that of a computer. Then of course I start thinking about how everything is relative and that line from the grapes of wrath "Maybe there ain't no virtue and there ain't no vice. There's just what people does. And sometimes it's nice and sometimes it ain't so nice." But that's a topic for a nother discussion.

That's why I think viruses are alive. They reproduce and evolve. That pretty much sums it up for me, actaully.
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Postby MFS » Fri Dec 10, 15:07

thing is, our brains aren't binary... if it were that simple, we'd have our brains figured out by now. Electrical signals, yes - binary, no.
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